D&D 4E

[Elven Paladin]

Deixa-me enumerar algumas características que me chamaram a atenção:Um sistema de intereração social mais detalhado, Alinhamento com menor incidência na mecânica de jogo, e agora, a tal Personalidade. Meu Senhor, D&D vai deixar de ser um Wargame Anti-Roleplaying Malvado e vai integrar a Elite da Profunda Interpretação Superior e Trágica!

She also used a very, very effective positioning strike to move an ally into flanking position for better attack odds. Ordinarily she wouldn't have used the wizard to do so, but he was standing right there....

Bem similar á Maneuvers da White Raven, como Order Forged from Chaos e Tactical Strike.

[Wykthor]

Novidades: Alguns fatos de um playtest passado. Gosto cada vez mais dos warlocks.

WotC_Miko, 11/7/2007 4:37:17 PM
I mentioned a playtest report that hadn't gone up yet on D&DI...so here it is. Imagine that you read it before the previous report. It's probably a little stilted since I was trying to be clever...or something...but anyway:

(originally written 10/19)

As one of the editors on the Player’s Handbook, I consider it my responsibility to be as hands-on familiar with all of the classes as possible. That means playing each one of them and putting them through their paces. It’s a tough job, I know, but somehow I endure.

Heh.

At the moment I’ve got three games in various stages and will soon be adding a fourth. I has characters! My characters, let me tell you them:

* Zanne, the half-elf rogue for Bill Slavicsek’s Thursday night game. Our group is leveling at a rate of a level per week, so we can put the classes through their paces at all tiers. During last night’s (10/18) 6th-level playtest, Zanne smashed a harpy out of the sky and into a chasm by using a power that knocks the target prone; when the harpy tried to fly out of the pit, the aftereffects of the power knocked her down again and she fell to her death. This made me laugh like a hyena for the rest of the evening, and also made me jot down a note to clarify the effects of "knocking prone" on flying creatures. This is why we playtest. But for one combat, it was glorious.

I’m happy with the rogue. She’s got a nice variety of ranged and melee abilities, some clever ways of gaining combat advantage by herself (and therefore sneak attack), interesting noncombat tricks that tie into skills, and the occasional ability to do truly massive damage in a single round. Just like a striker should.

* Valenae, the elf paladin for Greg Bilsland’s Tuesday night game. We’ll be 2nd level next session, but Greg has hinted that he might also do faster advancement for playtest purposes. I’ve only played her twice so I’m still feeling out the class, but I’ve already noted some nifty synergies between elf abilities and paladin abilities, like the additional movement that lets me get away with heavy armor and not lag behind the rest of the party. (Slower movement is a primary reason that I don’t play dwarves much, although I’m really hoping for an opportunity to try out a dwarf wizard sometime soon. They’re going to work really, really well.) Pulling out a daily power to take out the nasty undead thing? Very satisfying.

I’m happy with the paladin, even on short acquaintance. She’s sufficiently "tanklike" without feeling like an over-armored turtle, and she’s got enough healing ability to keep the party fighting without overshadowing the cleric or warlord. Her divine challenge "come hit me, not the squishy wizard" ability makes her look like the most attractive target for attacks. Just like a defender should.

* Kithri, the halfling warlock for Chris Sims’s "editor’s playtest" on Monday at lunchtime. (Chris used to be an editor, so that’s all right, and we allow new developer Peter Schaefer to play too because we’re friendly that way.) After the happy-go-lucky Zanne and the so-good-my-teeth-ac he Valenae, it was sort of fun to sink into the persona of a scrubby, vicious little thing. I should point out here that no, not all warlocks are malevolent or nasty . . . they draw on dangerous, untamable sources of power, but that doesn’t make them innately evil. In fact, I’d initially planned on playing her as the cheerful, bouncy kind of warlock before I started playing the other two and realized I wanted a change of pace. Anyway, she’s got some very interesting "riders" on her damage powers, things that grant temporary hit points or slide creatures across the battlefield. The warlock just might be the most unpredictable character in the game, since you never quite know what her powers will do. I’ve also been watching Jeff Grubb play a warlock in Bill’s game, and he’s similarly having a lot of fun with it.

I’m happy with the warlock. The class is dark, yes, but there’s room in their concept for other styles of play, and the distinctiveness of their pacts sets each one apart from another. Like the rogue she can do massive damage, with extremely distinctive flair. She’s hard to hit, hard to get ahold of, and has the ability to move away from enemies (or move them away from her) before they reach her. Just like a striker should.

I’ll soon be starting Chris Perkins’s game, where I’m hoping to play an aloof eladrin warlord. But even so, there are too many character concepts and not enough time: the intellectual dwarf wizard, the fierce *mumble* ranger, the anomalous tiefling cleric, the brash human fighter. But I’ve been seeing these (in every combination) being played at each of the gaming tables, and it’s extremely gratifying to see them all fulfilling their design purposes in individual ways. Just like they should.

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Hey, it was a revelation when I wrote it: the warlock is a striker.

But wait! you say. Reports have warlocks doing controller things!, you say. Right here, live and in print, a first look at an actual sentence out of the 4th Edition Player's Handbook***:

"Some warlocks manage a lot of control."

*** unedited, subject to change without warning, some restrictions may apply)

Sure, my warlock can push opponents around the battlefield as an occasional effect, but she's still "built" to do striker damage on a regular basis.

If a controller uses a power that does a lot of damage to a single target, that doesn't make him a striker. If a defender uses a power to heal an ally, that doesn't make her a leader. Roles aren't straightjackets; they're general guidelines for how a class functions. Specifics are determined by what the class should do. Meanwhile, a controller can affect not only multiple opponents on the battlefield, but the battlefield itself. Fogs and walls? Controller. Reshaping the terrain? Controller.

But you all figured that out already!


Tuesday night: Tergania, Game 4 (11/6)

We spent a good part of the evening on a largely frustrating encounter with a black dragon: hard to hit what you can't see. In the end it chose to fly away rather than kill us all, but it's still a victory for our side if no one died. Right? I say yes.

A later encounter against some scavenging wolves proved more satisfying and everyone had the chance to show their stuff, including Logan's rogue...who showed his guts (literally and figuratively) when he charged into the middle of them and almost got eaten before the rest of us had the chance to act. Fortunately, we were able to get to him with healing, including a strike from Valenae that heals bloodied allies.

A little bit of a discombobulated night. The hazard of playtesting with professional gamers, you want to stop and discuss every rule...more "shut up and play!" needed, I think.

Fonte: http://www.gleemax.com/Comms/Pages/Comm ... logid=7576

[Eltor Macnol]

I has characters! My characters, let me tell you them:

Eu ainda nem terminei de ler a notícia, mas pombas, o cara citou LOLCats! Já simpatizei com ele.

[ShinRyuu]

Eltor, ele é ela, o nome dela é Michele...

Engraçado, alguém ainda não sabia que o warlock é striker? Ela fala que os fóruns por aí andaram falando muito sobre o warlock ser controller, mas já faz tempo que disseram que seria striker, desde que na ENWorld alguém matou a charada de que as combinações de fonte de poder e papel das classes do PHB não se repetem: defensor marcial (guerreiro), matador marcial (ladino), líder marcial (warlord), controlador marcial (nenhum ainda), defensor arcano (nenhum ainda, mas deverá ser o swordmage), matador arcano (warlock), líder arcano (nenhum ainda, mas deverá ser o bardo), controlador arcano (mago), defensor divino (paladino), matador divino (ranger), líder divino (clérigo), controlador divino (nenhum ainda). Como ela disse, já havia sido dito que os papéis não são camisas de força e uma ou outra classe vai xeretar o papel de outra, daí os poderes controladores do warlock. Até o warlord apareceu um dia desses com um poder controlador.

[Wykthor]

Notícias:

D&D Brand Manager Scott Rouse has confiirmed unequivocably that there will be no d20 System Trademark License for 4th edition:

There will be the OGL and Wizards D&D products period. No d20 STL (tiered or otherwise) to be even more clear.

Note that the Open Gaming License will still be around (which allows for third party products) - the d20 STL deals with the logo usage only. Scott adds that:

We are looking to incorporate some sort of compatibility language within the new version of the OGL. Something like "Compatible with the 4th Edition of the Dungeons & Dragons Roleplaying game..."

Fontes:
http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?p ... ost3876623
http://www.enworld.org/showpost.php?p=3 ... stcount=40

[Letthull]

Já tô vendo que o Warlock vai ser um absurdo de poderoso.
Oh meu Deus, Chris Metzen está não está na equipe de criação da 4E!

[Eltor Macnol]

Hum... quem é Chris Metzen?

[Wykthor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Metzen

Citações ao Warcraft me lembra da evolução dos insultos ao sistema:

Década de 80: "D&D não é realista"
Década de 90: "D&D não tem interpretação"
Novo milênio: "D&D é um MMORPG"

[Eltor Macnol]

Huahuahuahuahua

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Eltor, ele é ela, o nome dela é Michele...

OK, agora eu simpatizei mais ainda!!! :D

Fortunately, we were able to get to him with healing, including a strike from Valenae that heals bloodied allies.

OK, eu ainda estou MUITO curioso pra ver uma descrição mais detalhada do fluff por trás desse tipo de manobra.

[Fëanor]

Cara, estou muito interessado no Warlock. Sempre achei uma classe legal, mas tão fraquinha.

Bem que eles poderiam adiantar um pouco o lançamento da 4a edição...

[AKImeru]

D&D vai deixar de ser um Wargame Anti-Roleplaying Malvado e vai integrar a Elite da Profunda Interpretação Superior e Trágica!

Você PERCEBE que isso não vai alterar nada a opinião dos jogadores de roleplay "true" que vão contra a "malvada corporação" da WOTC e afirmam que D&D é o pior sistema de todos os tempos e as pessoas deveriam jogar _insira sistema underground que ninguem nunca ouviu falar_ mas elas são BURRAS e não o fazem, certo?

[arghsupremo]

Vocês jogadores de D&D não tão com nada. Jogo de RPG "true"mesmo é krim det starge, jogo norueguês que fala sobre paganismo e satanismo. Muito dramático. Uma mistura de emo com black metal. Eu li num fansine escrito a lapis com tiragem de 200 cópias. Muito "true" mesmo.

[Letthull]

Hum... quem é Chris Metzen?

O "criador" de tudo fez sucesso e vendeu horrores na Blizzard. Diablo, Warcraft e Starcraft.

Só pra quem não sabe, e venera essas séries, Warcraft, a princípio, era pra ser WARHAMMER. O jogo foi todo feito, mas a Games Workshop não autorizou o lançamento, e com o jogo pronto, ele mudou os nomes aqui e alí, e bam, temos Warcraft.
Logo depois, vem Starcraft, que não tem ABSOLUTAMENTE NAAAAAAAAAADA a ver com Warhammer 40k... nadinha.

Se você entrar no site do WoW, na parte de classes http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/index.html e selecionar o texto das especificações da classe (Avaible to, Type, etc), você vai encontrar escrito um texto escondido. Agora eles mudaram, mas antes tinha escrito "Cool guy".
Nas comunidades, TODOS reclamam do poder do Warlock (no pvp pelo menos), de como ele é beneficiado de mil e uma maneiras, e etc...

Meu medo é do Warlock se tornar o novo Mage 3E style. Sempre tem como fazer tudo bem, e pior, matar todo mundo sozinho.

[juma]

O jogo foi todo feito, mas a Games Workshop não autorizou o lançamento, e com o jogo pronto, ele mudou os nomes aqui e alí, e bam, temos Warcraft.

A comunidade gamer agradece a Games Workshop pela grande burrada.

[Parappa]

Essa história de bater e curar, como funcionaria? O clérigo ou paladino vai lá, dá um golpe, e libera uma explosão de energia positiva que cura o companheiro em qualquer lugar do campo de batalha?

Se for algo do tipo, não curti muito não. Sei lá, ficou meio estranho, apesar de ser bastante útil. Mas aí é pura questão de gosto mesmo.

Alguém tem alguma conjecuctura sobre o assunto? Existe algum precedende na 3.x?