NOTÍCIAS D&D 4ª Edição

[Agnelo]

PS: O Dólar vai aumentar! >.<

Em menos de 6 mêses? As evidencias tem provado o contrário


Acho inclusive que a devir e a jambô vão passar mais trabalho pra competir com livros importados.

[Sellous]

Em menos de 6 mêses? As evidencias tem provado o contrário

Se os EUA não tivessem abaixado os jurós. O Dólar tinha parado de cair e começado a subir, agora parece estável.

Olha, eu tava dando uma olhada nos preços na Moonshadows, e mesmo lá ainda acho muito caro pelo peço que posso comprar na Amazon. Daí me ocorreu a idéia: será que o pessoal da Spell aqui de Sampa não estariam interessados de comprar em conjunto os livros básicos (um pra cada um) no modo de entrega super rápido da Amazon?

[Fëanor]

Compre a ingles. Confie em mim.

Quotado por ser verdade.

Vantagens: mais barato, mais rápido, melhor qualidade de papel, menos erros.
Desvantangem: é em inglês e você vai ter que ficar traduzindo as coisas para seu grupo =P.

Mas se a 4e cumprir o que promete, e ser mais facil para aprender, isso não é um problema.

[ShinRyuu]

Dave Noonan pagodeiro?

http://www.gleemax.com/Comms/Pages/Comm ... logid=2132

The mention of the druid in my last blog entry was semi-intentional. I finished my design work on the druid over the weekend.

Now before anyone gets completely crazy, it’s worth noting what my job is: mechanical designer. That means I’m sometimes (but not always) the very first person to work on a particular design. But I’m no means the last. At this point, the druid class I wrote up has a conceptual buy-off from the immediate members of my team and the lead developer. But it could—and maybe should—change radically as it works its way through the design/development/ playtesting/editing /folding/spindling/ mutilating process. So keep that in mind.

(As an aside, my stuff gets altered beyond recognition all the time—that’s part of the business. I’m the department’s Harlan. Nothing wrong with that. Heck, I wrote the original Ninja of the Crescent Moon. Some of my stuff should get altered beyond recognition.)

So what’s the druid look like right now? Some tidbits:

• Call his role “hybrid.” But don’t assume that he can cover all roles. Just a couple of ‘em.
• If you like what the 3.5 Player’s Handbook II did to the 3.5 druid, then you’ll probably like this guy, too.
• He doesn’t do much with the classical Greek elements (air/fire/earth/wat er), but he’s got a lot of weather-related magic. Again, that’s the direction we were taking the class in latter-day 3.5 products.
• Not a lot of animal summoning. Plenty of wild shape.

And what’s in my druid file? The class description, of course, and all the powers (eighty of ‘em at this point, give or take). Plus there are some druid (and druid-friendly) feats, four paragon paths, an epic destiny (available to those who aren’t druids, too), and some rituals. Oh, and some druid-friendly magic items.

In other words, he’s ready for playtesting. Anyone wanna DM?

Out of Context: The Dwarven alphabet is much easier to decipher if you hold it right side up.

Music: Timbalada, Timbalada (Beware, album cover is NSFW)

[AKImeru]

• Not a lot of animal summoning. Plenty of wild shape.

FUUUUUUUUUUURIIIIEEESSSS

[Deicide]

• Not a lot of animal summoning. Plenty of wild shape.

FUUUUUUUUUUURIIIIEEESSSS

Que trauma, hein?

[WillDice]

• Call his role “hybrid.” But don’t assume that he can cover all roles. Just a couple of ‘em.

Hybrid. Roles. \o/

Só espero que preste. Não seja nem "Mago" (faz melhor que os especialistas) nem um "Monge" (pato) da 3E.

[Wykthor]

Droga. Diminuiram o "elementalismo" e a invocação de criaturas enquanto mantiveram o wild shape, que era a habilidade de druida que menos gostava? Se eu já nãojogava de druida na 3.5, dificilmente pensarei nele na 4E, se esta tendência se confirmar. Espero que "weather magic" valha a pena.

[CF]

Music: Timbalada, Timbalada (Beware, album cover is NSFW)

WTF!?

[Nibelung]

Compre a ingles. Confie em mim.

Quotado por ser verdade.

Vantagens: mais barato, mais rápido, melhor qualidade de papel, menos erros.
Desvantangem: é em inglês e você vai ter que ficar traduzindo as coisas para seu grupo =P.

Mas se a 4e cumprir o que promete, e ser mais facil para aprender, isso não é um problema.

Mais barato: Depende da taxa do dólar, e da sua capacidade econômica em adquirir os três livros ao mesmo tempo.

Mais rápido: Só se comprar no primeiro dia. Já vi livros ficarem mais de três meses na alfândega parados, assim como já vi serem liberados com uma semana. "Vai da sorte"

Melhor papel: Sinceramente, não vi diferença. E eu tenho livros importados e nacionais de D&D comigo. O que costuma dar essa impressão é porque os livros básicos são muito usados, e obviamente, se desgastam mais depressa por isso.

Menos erros: Discutível, ainda mais com a nova política da Devir de colocar as erratas americanas nos livros, e de ter começado a distribuir erratas no site dela.

Resumindo: Eu vou esperar a edição nacional. Só mudo de idéia se não conseguirem convencer os chefões da Devir que caudilho (Warlord), paragão (paragon) e escaramuceiro (skirmisher) são péssimas idéias pra tradução oficial.

[Letthull]

Realmente, confiar em quem ouve TIMBALADA pra fazer regras de rpg, é um tanto quanto penoso.

[Elven Paladin]

Alguns comentários do Sean K. Reynolds ( um dos primeiros designers a utilizar algumas idéias de WoW em D&D, diga-se de passagem. ) sobre a 4ª Edição ( na verdade, são fragmentos, entendam cada parágrafo de maneira separada ):

I like WOW. But If I wanted to play WOW, I'd have a better experience playing actual WOW at my computer, not a turn-based human-arbited system that is trying to simulate WOW, only more slowly. I don't want to play TCGs. I don't need exception-based game design (which is what most TCGs are ... a card's rule overrides a general rule) in my D&D.

The game is full of crazy exceptions as it is (you provoke an AOO unless X, you can't act outside your turn unless Y, you are immune to this except Z), I don't need a bunch of new things in every single class adding new exceptions so I have to determine an order-of-operations to find out which rule kicks out first. I don't play TCGs for that exact reason.

If I wanted to play WOW's-setting-as-tabletop-RPG I'd use a system designed as a tabletop RPG, not a TCG or miniatures game simulator in the guise of an RPG, which is what this feels like. The game is fine (though it has its bugs, some of which are because we're working with cobbled-together public-info rules rather than the final), it's just not D&D to me.

* Rule Annoyance: Damage-over-time abilities, like the 5 acid damage per round from the dragon's bite, takes place at the START of your turn, but your save to overcome it takes place at the END of your turn. So it's entirely possible for the dragon to bite you in initiative 20, knock you down to 4hp, and then on your turn in initiative 11 you take 5 acid and are knocked out at -1...so you waited all that time for nothing. Or as one of our players put it, "wait for your turn, wait for your turn, OH SORRY you don't get a turn!" That just sucks. Put the damage at the end of the turn so the player gets a chance to USE their turn to counteract the damage or magic-off the effect.

* Rule goofiness: Cleric healing (I think) and paladin lay on hands (for sure) is based on the target's healing surge value. So a Pal20 laying hands on a critically-injured Ftr1 is going to heal about 8 points max (out of the Ftr's 33, assuming a Con 16 Ftr1), and blow one of his 3/day abilities to do so! Conversely, a Pal1 laying hands on a critically-injured Ftr20 is going to heal HUGE amounts of damage (1/4 of the fighter's total hp, so 60hp for a Con 16 Ftr20).

* Strange limitations. Lay on hands is a minor action that spends a healing surge to heal a target as if they had used a healing surge. It's nice. It's a minor action, so I could use it and still make an attack. It's limited to three times per day. Hmm, I guess I can see that limitation, as it might be too much if the paladin can blow all his HS' to heal other people and the healy-cleric can't do that. But on top of that, the ability also says you can't use it more than once per round. Why? Because you don't want me double-tapping someone (or myself) for two heals in the same round? Why not? If it's okay for the warlock two use two minor-action attacks in the same round, why can't I blow 2/3 of my daily healing in the same round to save a desperately-hurt person?

[Wykthor]

Já esperava uma resposta deste nível do Sean "bad boy" Reynolds

Sobre luta contra deuses e demon princes:

Maaaybe. We haven't statted up a deity for fightin' just yet. The toughest thing currently in the game is Orcus, who's around level 33 -- so he's a tough fight for level 30 characters. Of course, Orcus is about the toughest demon, and there are other demon princes who sit in the high 20's.

We've kicked around the idea that a greater god like Moradin could handle Orcus, but couldn't handle Orcus and Demogorgon together. Hence, the greater gods are cautious about picking fights with demons, because you never know if Demogorgon and Grazzt are hiding just around the corner, waiting to jump out and ambush you. That would suggest that Moradin (or any greater god, really) is maybe something like level 37 or 38. He's going to be out of the reach of even 30th-level PCs. That's why I said that taking on a god might involve a whole chain of epic quests to line things up just right--to find the weapon, the place, and the time where you catch a Bane or Shar at their weakest.

So, to sum up: Any high-epic party will likely do in an archdevil, exarch, or demon prince somewhere in their last four or five levels of adventuring, possibly even two or three if the DM sets up the adventures that way. But taking out a greater power is probably something you only do once, and even then, you only do it if the DM decides to make it the theme of the last big adventure your characters have as mortal heroes. It's hardly working your way through Deities & Demigods in alphabetical order.

Fonte: http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php? ... count=3276

[Lumine Miyavi]

The game is full of crazy exceptions as it is (you provoke an AOO unless X, you can't act outside your turn unless Y, you are immune to this except Z), I don't need a bunch of new things in every single class adding new exceptions so I have to determine an order-of-operations to find out which rule kicks out first. I don't play TCGs for that exact reason.

FINALMENTE algum designer tem a mesma opinião que eu...

[ShinRyuu]

Faltou postarem as respostas de Rodney Thompson e Mike Mearls a essa e outras colocações do Reynolds.