[4e] Imagens reutilizadas em Livros de D&D

[Madrüga]

A Lidda também era tosca com aquele nariz vermelho de Adriane Galisteu. Só a versão "savage" dela no UA que era...

[_Virtual_Adept_]

A ilustração da Paladina (Alhandra) e do Ranger (Soveliss) no livro do D&D 3.5 (nao lembro se esses dois foram reaproveitados do 3.0) por exemplo eu acho feio d+, ilustrações muito tosca.

E são mesmo. Quase todas as ilustrações das classes eram feias. Mas não foram reaproveitadas.

[Bahamute]

Em compensação, a arte de D&D 4 está linda. As imagens reaproveitadas são apenas as de boa qualidade, e as originais estão muito bonitas.

[Youkai X]

Agora na 4e as mulheres e fêmeas de demais raças são sexys e estilosas. agora os elfos e assemelhados são estilosos (ou ao menos bem melhores que aqueles elfos feios cabeçudos olhudos da 3.5). No geral são mais estilosos, exceto para quem aprecia mais o realismo e precisão histórica.

[Aluriel de Laurants]

Fico feliz que coisas como aquela monja da 3.x tenha saído sério, uma meia-orc era mais bonita.

[Youkai X]

A meio-orc do 3.5 era mais feia que a Ember, bem mais. A mais bonita do 3.5 é a druida . Aliás, numa das imagens do druida da 4E aparece essa mesma druida, mas não sendo um desenho reaproveitado da 3.5.

[Elven Paladin]

Aliás, numa das imagens do druida da 4E aparece essa mesma druida, mas não sendo um desenho reaproveitado da 3.

Sim, assim como o Regdar/Captain Whitebread. Se bem que ele só apareceu em imagens na 4E sendo sacaneado, e por um bom motivo ( relatado por Monte Cook,em seu Livejournal ):

Race and Gender in D&D Art

When I worked at TSR, there was always basically a truism in cover art--the central figure had to be a white male. Most of us actually helping to create the cover art, either by conceiving it or actually creating it, hated that kind of outlook, but the powers that be believed that our audience was entirely white males and they needed someone that they could identify with on the cover. This was absurd for two reasons:

1. You're talking about a game where you pretend to be elves, halflings, or other things that are different from you, is it so hard to believe that the people who engage in this hobby might be able to see beyond themselves?

2. It's not only incorrect to assume that the audience is all white males, but it just makes the issue worse when the artwork only fixates on white males. It's a self-fulfilling prophesy, in other words.

So, when D&D was bought by WotC and we started working on 3E, we really felt that this was a time when we could break this mold. We worked with the artists to create iconic characters of different ethnicities (both in appearance and in name) and with equal representation of male and female. At some point in the process, someone said, "hey, you don't have a male human fighter in the mix." We replied, "exactly." The reasons were again, twofold:

1. In order to be true to the system, we wanted the iconic fighter to a dwarf, because dwarves are the race that favors the fighter class.

2. It was a thumb to the nose of the old TSR requirement. Because, sadly, the people who noted that there was no "male human fighter" were basically saying "white human male fighter." It was our intention that while humans would be multi-ethnic, nonhumans were just that. So Tordek wasn't a white dwarf or a black dwarf, he was just a dwarf. So the core fighter wasn't a white guy. At least that was our intention.

Then, I went to Clarion (a six week writer's workshop). 3E was design was basically done, and so the game was in the hands of others (editors, marketing people, etc.), so it didn't seem to matter that I would be gone. But when I came back, there was suddenly this... guy. A big, burly human fighter.

Regdar intruded his way into 3E, empowered by marketing and sales people. At the last minute, in a matter of just those few short weeks, the old TSR standard reared its ugly head. Not only was Regdar on the scene, he was in the spotlight. This was the character that would be on the cardboard standees and other promotional items, and would usually take center stage in the covers. I was caught entirely off-guard and was far too late to even comment on him. Now, to his credit, the initial Regdar artist, Todd Lockwood, made Regdar's ethnicity kind of vague. (Regdar had shown up in Todd's earlier sketches when he designed the look of 3E armor.) It's only in later artwork that Regdar seems to be pretty clearly the white male fighter we tried to avoid. And to the credit of a number of people--artists, art directors, designers and editors alike--our disdain for Regdar made its way into a lot of art. If you look closely, Regdar is getting thrashed on most of the early pieces he shows up in. (Look for his ignominious fate on the original DM's Screen, for example.)

[Elven Paladin]

Mantendo a tradição:

Arcane Power

Página 19: Apareceu originalmente no Player´s Handbook 3.5, página 27.
Página 20: Apareceu originalmente no Complete Arcane, página 63.
Página 23: Apareceu originalmente no Complete Adventurer, página 49.
Página 42: Apareceu originalmente no Complete Arcane, página 113 .
Página 45: Apareceu originalmente no Races of Eberron, página 180.
Página 88: Apareceu originalmente no Drow of the Underdark.
Página 90: Apareceu originalmente no Faiths of Eberron, página 53.
Página 91: Apareceu originalmente no Complete Arcane, página 06.
Página 116: Apareceu originalmente no Manual of the Planes, página 27.
Página 117: Apareceu originalmente no Tome of Magic, página 127.
Página 119: Apareceu originalmente no Frostburn, página 60.
Página 148: Apareceu originalmente no Complete Mage, página 79.
Página 150:Apareceu originalmente no Complete Arcane, Capa.

[Lector]

Fico feliz que coisas como aquela monja da 3.x tenha saído sério, uma meia-orc era mais bonita.

calma que os monges não foram lançados ainda

[Diel]

E se deus assim quiser, não serão lançados. Nunca. De novo.

[Kinn]

Lançamento do playtest monk: 11 de maio de 2009.

[Aluriel de Laurants]

calma que os monges não foram lançados ainda

E se o grande permitir não será mais aquela mulher.

[Madrüga]

calma que os monges não foram lançados ainda

E se o grande permitir não será mais aquela mulher.

Isso aí é racismo. Só porque a Ember era negra.

[/momento FreeSample]

[Aluriel de Laurants]

Não, se fosse um negra bonita que parecesse mais uma mulher eu não teria nada contra madruga.

[Madrüga]

Pô, tinha sido brincadeira, achei que o "momento FreeSample" demonstrasse. Mas sim, ela era feiosa e espero que não a reaproveitem. Pelo jeito só pegam aquelas imagens de voadora, tipo Sacred Fist e uma do OA (Shintao Monk?).