D&D 4E

[Elven Paladin]

WTF??

Da esquerda para direita: David Bowie, Ronaldinho Gaúcho e Denis Rodman

[Wykthor]

Novidades sobre elfo e eladrin:

Rich Baker comments briefly on the nature of the vairous elven races, and how they elate to the "Elf" and "Eladrin" stats. Thanks to Spectre666 for the scoop.

Actually, I expect that sun elves, moon elves, and star elves would all fall into the description of "eladrin" for game stats, while wood elves and green elves would be "elves." But we're still going to call them sun elves, star elves, etc., for the most part. Nobody in Faerun would call those folks eladrins, they'd call them ar-tel-quessir, sun elves, or gold elves.

[Elven Paladin]

Nos tempos da 4E, o meu apelido online mais comum vai ter que ser convertido para EladrinPaladin, que além de mais longo, ainda gera uma aliteração ( se errei, Madruga, corrija-me ) que me desagrada.

[Youkai X]

Aliteração é quando a primeira letra de duas palavras são iguais. Pense em vários nomes famosos nas HQs de super-heróis (Lois Lane, Peter Parker, Lex Luthor, etc)

[Corvo da Tempestade]

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asson%C3%A2ncia

é aliteração se for duas palavras...

[Smaug]

J.J.Jameson eh record!!!!

[Wykthor]

Elven Sorcerer Drunken Shadow Wizard, não é aliteração mas sim eco, um vício de linguagem que ocorre quando há na frase terminações iguais ou semelhantes, provocando dissonância (wikipedia & minha memória de 2o grau).

E mais novidades:

Playtest
( http://www.gleemax.com/Comms/Pages/Comm ... logid=2146 )

So I decided to push my at-home playtest group up to the next level of the D&D experience. We've been playing pretty steadily for the last little while and have become reasonably familiar with the new game. I decided to bump the PC levels up to 12th and see how it felt to take on a bigger challenge.

The party consisted of five characters: a tiefling warlock (infernal, naturally), a halfling rogue, a dwarf fighter (polearm specialist and opportunity attack monster), a human cleric, and an eladrin wizard. I put them up against a Large black dragon in a murky grotto. Then we had at it.

Obviously I can't say a lot about mechanical details, but the black dragon has a schtick that is truly dangerous--keeping the PCs on the defensive a lot of the time. It was able to hold out for seven rounds against an entire party and caused them to use up pretty well all their limited resources. Its ability to respond immediately to PC actions was a nasty surprise as well for those used to earlier-edition dragons.

I'm looking forward to more paragon-level play at our office playtest group next week. I wonder what Chris will throw at us...

E uma novidade sobre o panteão CORE:
Fonte: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drdd/20071029

The family of gods for 4th Edition is a mix of old and new. You'll see familiar faces like Corellon, Moradin, and Pelor, and some new faces as well, like Zehir, Torog, and Bane.

Yes, Bane.

(após pretextos e justificativas)

Corellon: The elf god is a good example of a god who kept his well-earned place in the D&D pantheon. But "the elf god" shouldn't be taken to literally. Sure, he's often depicted as an elf or an eladrin, and many eladrin in particular revere him. But he's equally popular among human wizards, and even dwarves who practice the finer arts are prone to offering him prayers. One of our goals with the new pantheon was to loosen the tight associations between gods and races that has in the past led to the creation of whole pantheons full of elf, dwarf, orc, and goblin deities. Corellon is still associated with elfy things like arcane magic and the Feywild, and he still hates Lolth and the drow. But his appeal is a little broader now.

Bahamut: Here's another example of a familiar, draconic face showing up in a somewhat new light. Maybe it was the Platinum Knight prestige class in Draconomicon that did it, but something convinced me a long time ago that Bahamut was a much cooler god of paladins than Heironeous ever was. Like Corellon, Bahamut's not just for dragons any more. He's the god of justice, protection, and honor, and many paladins of all races worship him. Many metallic dragons revere him as well, thinking of him as the first of their kind. Some legends about Bahamut describe him as literally a shining platinum dragon, while others describe him as a more anthropomorphic deity, who's called the Platinum Dragon as a title of respect. Exhorting his followers to protect the weak, liberate the oppressed, and defend just order, Bahamut stands as the exemplar of the paladin's ideal.

Bane: Here's another god whose placeholder name just stuck, despite some reservations. We wanted an evil war god in the pantheon, and without Heironeous, Hextor didn't make a lot of sense. We wanted the kind of heavily militaristic god whose temples you might find among non-evil societies who have spent long years at war, as well as among hobgoblins. We wanted a god who embodied just the sort of tyrannical dictatorship that Bane stands for in the Forgotten Realms. We started calling him Bane as a placeholder. He went through a number of different, unsatisfying names. Finally, someone said we should just call him Bane. So Bane he remained.

Boccob, Heironeous e Hextor - you got the shaft. E acho Bane tãaaaao sem graça. Não que eu seja um grande fã de Hei/Hextor. Sentirei falta do Boccob; apesar de não gostar de racial gods, considero Corellon muito apegado aos elfos para começar a vê-lo como patrono de magia mais abrangente. Mas como estou mestrando Beberrão atualmente, nãopreciso me esquentar com isso

[Art__]

hum
fizeram sentido contrario agora
pegaram deuses de faerum e levaram pra o panteao geral....

[GoldGreatWyrm]

Um deus CB da magia? Por favor que não façam uma Mystra v2.0 com toda aquele lenga-lenga de "eu deixo gente má usar magia má por que é o certo e ponto"!

[WillDice]

Acho que há uma diferença entre "Deus da magia" e "Deus que permite que as pessoas lancem magias arcanas".

Ele seria um Deus da Magia no mesmo sentido em que o Deus da Guerra não é o responsável direto por todos os conflitos no mundo.

[Fëanor]

Acho que há uma diferença entre "Deus da magia" e "Deus que permite que as pessoas lancem magias arcanas".

Eu não vejo diferença nenhuma.

Ele seria um Deus da Magia no mesmo sentido em que o Deus da Guerra não é o responsável direto por todos os conflitos no mundo.

Mas ele pode escolher um lado a favorecer, como, por exemplo, aquele que tem mais seguidores dele.
Assim como o deus da magia pode escolher favorecer os conjuradores que o respeitam mais, ou que influenciam outros a fazer magia também.

[WillDice]

Acho que há uma diferença entre "Deus da magia" e "Deus que permite que as pessoas lancem magias arcanas".

Eu não vejo diferença nenhuma.

Ele seria um Deus da Magia no mesmo sentido em que o Deus da Guerra não é o responsável direto por todos os conflitos no mundo.

Mas ele pode escolher um lado a favorecer, como, por exemplo, aquele que tem mais seguidores dele.
Assim como o deus da magia pode escolher favorecer os conjuradores que o respeitam mais, ou que influenciam outros a fazer magia também.

Favorecer e atrapalhar é uma coisa, deixar e impedir é outra.

Em outras palavras, há uma diferença entre ser capaz de ajudar e atrapalhar conjuradores (como o Boccob, se fosse menos indiferente) com ser quem DEIXA cada magia ser conjurada diretamente (como a Mystra).

Sobre o Deus da Guerra, ele seria capaz de favorecer um lado de um conflito, sim, mas espero que ele não tenha que escolher quem é capaz de empunhar uma espada e nem de tirar essa "habilidade" de quem não pensa como ele.

[Wykthor]

Novidades sobre o Warlord:
Fonte: http://www.gleemax.com/Comms/Pages/Comm ... logid=4142

Not much going on this week other than working like crazy on the maps for adventure H2, so… this week I think I’ll tell you about my character!

I’ve been playing in Dave Noonan’s Thursday night Eberron game for a couple of years now. Back in May we switched the game to 4th Edition, so this is one of the longest-running 4e playtests around. Many rules have changed many times in the last few months, so I’ve reinvented my character at least three or four times over. I learn something new each time (and I think I’m getting faster at it!) Karhun began in the 3rd Edition era of Dave’s game as an illumian warblade/warmage. These days, he’s a 10th-level human warlord.

Race is pretty simple: We don’t have illumians developed for 4e yet, and they’re pretty low priority. Illumians are pretty close to human anyway, so Karhun became a human (although I considered half-elf just because they multiclass well). (Ainda bem, morte aos ilumians)

I thought about converting Karhun to a fighter instead of a warlord. After all, warblades would be in the defender role, just like fighters are. However, my desire to keep in touch with some arcane spellcasting meant that Karhun would need to multiclass into wizard (no warmage yet either), and thus could really use a good Intelligence score. Fighters have no real use for a high Intelligence, but warlords certainly do, and warlord abilities are often reminiscent of the White Raven maneuvers from Tome of Battle—Karhun had a couple of those maneuvers in his 3e incarnation. So it wasn’t entirely crazy to change up roles, and make Karhun into a warlord.

(At this point I’d tell you exactly what we’re up to with multiclassing so that I could explain Karhun’s wizardliness, but I’m afraid I can’t quite yet. Suffice it to say that multiclassing isn’t like it was in 3e. That’s as much as I can say right now.)

Karhun’s ability scores are: Str 20, Con 14, Dex 8, Int 17, Wis 10, Cha 14. I set my Strength high because most warlord powers rely on melee attacks, and it’s useful just for dishing out some extra melee damage anyway. Warlords also have class features and powers that make use of Intelligence and Charisma, so those are good choices for my next-best stats (and of course a good Int helps out with being a part-time wizard, as you might expect). I can “hide” Karhun’s poor Dexterity score by choosing heavy armor for him, so my Armor Class is passable. And Karhun’s got the Toughness feat (much better than the 3e version) and a decent Con, so his hit points are pretty good too.

Overall, Karhun is a pretty good “second tank” in the party. He’s a competent healer, like any leader, but I’ve chosen mostly offensive powers because our group happens to have a healing-freak cleric in it (the player actually prefers to spend his action on a heal than swing at a bad guy). I use Karhun’s wizard powers for dealing with foes at range and nifty utility effects, but most of my character emphasis is on warlord. My warlord powers help to increase the party’s damage output, and get Karhun right in the thick of the melee. For example, one of my favorite warlord powers is Hammer and Anvil. The warlord takes a swing at a bad guy, and he picks an ally who threatens that same target and grants that ally an immediate attack against the bad guy. Lots of fun!

Anyway, that seems like plenty for now… and I’ll spare you the description of my second-guessing about whether I should have gone wizard first and then multiclassed into warlord instead of the other way around.

[Gladius Dei]

And Karhun’s got the Toughness feat (much better than the 3e version)

Também, impossível era ser pior.

Improved Toughness mostrou tudo o que Toughness devia ter sido na 3E.

Me parece que o Warlord ocupará o lugar do Bardo nesta edição, ou estou errado (habilidades "mágicas", ajuda o grupo em massa, tanque secundário)?

[Lune]

Tanto o Warlord quanto o Bardo têm o mesmo papel, o de Líder, como já foi comentado. É natural que eles cumpram mais ou menos as mesmas funções, com estilos diferentes. Aliás, o Clérigo também entra na mesma definição, se não me engano.