Dragões Remodelados

[Styker]

Opa pessoal, eu sempre fui um fã incondicional de dragões, porém os dragões de D&D 3.5 não são o tipo de criatura que entra em um campo de batalha e fica lá atacando, cuspindo <<elemento aqui>> e sendo o FO!@. Toda dragão com a atual mecânica de D&D é melhor usado seguindo a tática de hit and run, fato que me desagrada um bocado, além disso a ficha dos bichos é beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeem complicada de se fazer, com talentos, magias e etc...
Mas o dragão sempre acaba tendo de escolher, ou ataca, ou conjura uma magia, primeiro que eu não gosto da idéia dos dragões usando magias assim igual aos magos/feiticeiros e segundo que contra um grupo isso é quase suicídio, porque enquanto ele usa uma magia, vai ter o mago pra cuidar dela e o resto do grupo para descer o pau nele. Tendo isso em vista a wizards criou um template pra dragão no monster manual V, que remove as magias e a SR deles e dá algumas habilidades, o template ficou até interessante mas ainda era under e não suficiente para fazer um dragão encarar vários pcs.
Levando isso em conta eu decidi adaptar um pouco os largatões para eles lutarem em combate aberto melhor e gostaria de uma ajuda para aprimorar a idéia, eu vou postar a ficha do dragão que o pessoal enfrentou ontem e que os players adoraram pq eu fiz a mecânica do bicho ser rápida, assim ele lutou bem, foi emocionante e ao mesmo tempo sem enrolação na batalha e eu gostaria de opiniões para desenvolvermos o assunto.
Segue a ficha (com os devidos comentários):

Size/Type:
Huge Dragon(Air)
Hit Dice:
20d12+100 (230 hp)
Initiative:
+0
Speed:
12m, nadar 12m, vôo 45m(ruim)
Armor Class:
27 (+19 natural, -2 size)
Base Attack/Grapple:
+20/+36
Attack:
+28 Bite (2d8+9)
Full Attack:
+28 Bite (2d8+9) and 2 +26 Claws(3d6+4) and 2 +26 wings (1d8+4) and +26 Tail Slap (2d6+13).
Space/Reach:
15 ft./10 ft.(15ft with Bite)
Special Attacks:
Breath CD 27 (12d6 acid in 50ft cone), Frightful Presence CD 23 (54m radius, <4HD panicked, >4HD Shaken) , Crush CD 25, Rend (6d6+13).
Special Qualities:
Blindsense 60ft. , Acid Aura (30 per turn)(Tirado do template do monstermanual V também, essa aura foi uma das habilidades mais show, porque faz com que ele aguente vário melee junto dele), DR 5/-- (Decidi aprimorar a RD assim para o bixo viver mais em combate direto), Spell-Like Abilities: 3/day – Entagle CD 14, Invisibility. (A idéia aqui foi dar ao dragão verde a habilidade de se camuflar na floresta, junto com o talento quicken ele pode ficar invisivel 3x ao dia, mas essa invisibilidade serve apenas para dar 50% de chance de falha, os pcs conseguem ver claramente onde ele está).
Saves:
Fort +20, Ref +15, Will +18 (+3 insight nos saves)
Abilities:
Str 28, Dex 10, Con 21, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 16
Skills:
Listen +26, Search +26, Spot +26, Concentration +15, Sense Motive +26, Bluff +15, Hide +18, Move Silently +18.
Feats:
MultiAttack, Clinging Breath, Improved Natural Attack (Claw), Wingover, Rend, Improved Ability(Breath), Quicken Spell Like Ability (Invisibility).
Challenge Rating: 13

Bem, basicamenteo que eu modifiquei na fera está comentado acima, eu queria conseguir fazer algo parecido com os outros dragões, dar uma habilidade interessante de defesa/ataque (como a invisibilidade) e ver outros poderes legais pra progredir com o nível dos bixos? Alguém tem dicas? Ou opiniões do que acharam?

[Lumine Miyavi]

Eu achei esse "dragãozinho" aqui no meu HD. Pretendo usar no Sopa Extraplanar!

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Godzilla

Macro-Fine Magical Beast
Hit Dice: 160d10+2560+4320 (7760 hp)
Initiative: +4
Speed: 240 ft. (48 squares), swim 240 ft.
Armor Class: 115 (-32 size, +147 natural), touch -22, flat-footed 115
Base Attack/Grapple: +160/+218
Attack: Stomp +160 melee (15d10+51) or claw +154 melee (8d8+34)
Full Attack: Bite +160 melee (10d10+17), 2 claws +160 melee (8d8+34), stomp +160 melee (15d10+51) and tail sweep +160 melee (8d6+51)
Space/Reach: 240 ft./320 ft.
Special Attacks: Atomic breaths, energy pulse, frightful presence, improved grab, rend, stomp, swallow whole, tail sweep.
Special Qualities: Damage reduction 80/-, immunity to poison, disease, energy drain and ability damage, regeneration 160, resistance to acid, cold, fire and electricity 80.
Saves: Fort +102, Ref +82, Will +57
Abilities: Str 79, Dex 11, Con 42, Int 4, Wis 18, Cha 18
Skills: Jump +55, Listen +31, Search +24, Spot +31, Survival +31, Swim +55.
Feats: Alertness, Awesome Blow, Blind-Fight, Cleave, Clinging Breath, Combat Reflexes, Fling Enemy, Great Cleave, Great Fortitude, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Initiative, Improved Multi-attack, Improved Natural Attack (x4: Bite, Claw, Stomp and Tail Sweep), Improved Overrun, Improved Sunder, Improved Toughness (x27), Multi-attack, Power Attack, Recover Breath (x2), Rend (claws), Shockwave, Tail Sweep Knockdown.
Epic Feats: Dire Charge, Epic Fortitude.
Environment: Any
Organization: Solitary
Challenge Rating: 88
Treasure: None
Alignment: Neutral
Advancement: 161-255 HD (Macro-Fine), 256-511 HD (Macro-Diminutive).
Effective Class Level: 160

Standing over 300 ft. tall, this great reptile almost rises into the clouds. Its hide is covered in thick dark green scales, its back ridged with pale bone-like plating tapering down the length of its tail. With menacing glare and mighty roar it issues its challenge of supremacy.

COMBAT

Godzilla attacks. You run or die.

Atomic Breath (Su): 1920-ft. line of atomic energy, dealing:
Disintigration: 320d6 damage (avg. 1120), or 40d6 (avg. 140) on a successful Fortitude save (DC 106)
Force damage: 160d4 force damage (avg. 400); Fortitude save for half damage (DC 106)
Heat damage: 160d6 fire damage (avg. 560); Fortitude save for half damage (DC 106)
Radiation: 2d12 (avg. 13) points of ability damage to strength, dexterity and constitution.

There is a 1d4-2 round delay between each use of this breath weapon. The save DCs are Constitution based.

Energy Pulse (Su): 480-ft. radius wave of atomic energy, dealing 40d20 force damage (Average 420). Fortitude save for half damage: DC 106.

Frightful Presence (Su): Godzilla can inspire terror by charging or attacking. Affected creatures must succeed on a DC 94 Will save or become shaken, remaining in that condition as long as they remain within sight of Godzilla. The save DC is Charisma-based.

Rend (Ex): Should Godzilla hit the same target with both claw attacks the target suffers a further 16d8+42 damage.

Stomp (Ex): Targets two size categories (or more) smaller than the Godzilla can be stomped into the ground for 16d8+42 damage.

Swallow Whole (Ex): Godzilla can try to swallow a grabbed opponent of Huge or smaller size by making a successful grapple check. Once inside, the opponent takes 4d8+17 points of crushing damage plus 4d8+7 points of acid damage per round from Godzilla's digestive juices. A swallowed creature can cut its way out by dealing 100 points of damage to the Godzilla's digestive tract (AC 25). Once the creature exits, muscular action closes the hole; another swallowed opponent must cut its own way out. Godzilla's gullet can hold 2 Huge, 8 Large, 32 Medium, 128 Small, or 512 Tiny or smaller creatures.

Tail Sweep (Ex): Godzilla’s tail sweep affects all targets within a semi-circular area.

...after absorbing the energy from Fire Rodan

Augmented Breath Weapon (Su): 1920-ft. line of atomic energy, dealing:
Disintigration: 640d6 damage (avg. 2240), or 80d6 (avg. 280) on a successful Fortitude save (DC 106)
Force damage: 320d4 force damage (avg. 800); Fortitude save for half damage (DC 106)
Heat damage: 320d6 fire damage (avg. 1020); Fortitude save for half damage (DC 106)
Radiation: 4d12 (avg. 26) points of ability damage to strength, dexterity and constitution.

There is a 1d4-2 round delay between each use of this breath weapon. The save DCs are Constitution based.

ROUND BY ROUND TACTICS (useful for Megasaurs in general)

Godzilla ignores any opposition until first attacked (unless there is a history of enmity whereupon he issues the challenge by roaring and charges into battle).

Round 1: Full attack against targets within reach, if no targets are within reach then Godzilla charges into battle and then employs a full attack (Dire Charge). If no targets are within melee range (flying for instance), then Godzilla attacks with his ranged weaponry (see Round 2).

Round 2: Use breath weapon on single opponent, or use the energy pulse if facing multiple opponents.

Rounds 3 and 4: Repeat rounds 1 and 2 where appropriate.

Round 5: Should opposition still exist by this stage Godzilla employs his augmented breath weapon.

Godzilla can be diverted from his current path, unless facing a serious threat (one of his peers: another megasaur or perhaps a deity), and wanders off (in the direction of the nearest body of water) after being reduced to less than half hit points (3880 hp).

MEGASAURS

The term Megasaurs can be taken as refering to any creature larger than Titanic size (also known as Colossal+).

MEGASAURS VS D20 MODERN (LOW PHYSICAL FACTOR WORLD)

In d20 Modern terms even main battle tanks (100mm cannon: 8d10 kinetic + 4d6 explosive) will likely prove totally ineffective against megasaurs and be ignored. Battleship guns (400mm cannon: 16d10 kinetic + 8d6 explosive) may just irk the great monsters enough to warrant their attention. Basically you need nuclear munitions to seriously stop megasaurs, of course then you have to contend with the collateral damage and radiation likely just as bad, perhaps worse than the damage the great beasts would have inflicted anyway. Also the fact that Megasaurs are often mutated from nuclear radiation means that atomic weaponry doesn't always have the desired effect on them. Hence the reason state of the art conventional weaponry is the preferred method of anti-megasaur equipment.

Japans Self-Defense Agency (JSDA) employ Super-X Main Sky Battle Tanks, whereas the United Nations Godzilla Countermeasures Centre (UNGCC) G-Force have Electron Cannons, Maser Tanks and two mechas: MechaGodzilla and MOGERA. Consider Earth to be at Progress Level 6 for the purposes of representing the Toho movies using d20 Future.

It should be noted that the Toho Godzilla seems to exist in a low physical factor world since it just laughs off conventional weapon attacks.

MEGASAURS VS MODERN WEAPONRY (HIGH PHYSICAL FACTOR WORLD)

Main battle tank 100mm cannon will deal 32d10 + 16d6 explosive and battleship 400mm guns will instead deal 128d10 + 64d6 explosive. Again the tanks will generally prove just about capable of injuring the monster with anything larger doing potentially significant damage.

It should be noted that the Hollywood Godzilla seems to exist in a high physical factor world, since it was taken down fairly easily by a couple of jet fighters.

[DracoDruida]

Uma pergunta: O seu comentário quanto querer um dragão que agüente lutar contra os vários pcs está considerando QUAL NÚMERO de PCs? 3~5 (tradicional) ou mais (como você disse que era na sua mesa no outro tópico) ?

Porque acho que para uma criatura ser capaz de lutar contra 7~8 oponentes, realmente tem que dar uma modificada na mecânica, porque normalmente eles não são feitos para isso.

[Styker]

Eu achei esse "dragãozinho" aqui no meu HD. Pretendo usar no Sopa Extraplanar!

SPOILER: EXIBIR

Godzilla

Macro-Fine Magical Beast
Hit Dice: 160d10+2560+4320 (7760 hp)
Initiative: +4
Speed: 240 ft. (48 squares), swim 240 ft.
Armor Class: 115 (-32 size, +147 natural), touch -22, flat-footed 115
Base Attack/Grapple: +160/+218
Attack: Stomp +160 melee (15d10+51) or claw +154 melee (8d8+34)
Full Attack: Bite +160 melee (10d10+17), 2 claws +160 melee (8d8+34), stomp +160 melee (15d10+51) and tail sweep +160 melee (8d6+51)
Space/Reach: 240 ft./320 ft.
Special Attacks: Atomic breaths, energy pulse, frightful presence, improved grab, rend, stomp, swallow whole, tail sweep.
Special Qualities: Damage reduction 80/-, immunity to poison, disease, energy drain and ability damage, regeneration 160, resistance to acid, cold, fire and electricity 80.
Saves: Fort +102, Ref +82, Will +57
Abilities: Str 79, Dex 11, Con 42, Int 4, Wis 18, Cha 18
Skills: Jump +55, Listen +31, Search +24, Spot +31, Survival +31, Swim +55.
Feats: Alertness, Awesome Blow, Blind-Fight, Cleave, Clinging Breath, Combat Reflexes, Fling Enemy, Great Cleave, Great Fortitude, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Initiative, Improved Multi-attack, Improved Natural Attack (x4: Bite, Claw, Stomp and Tail Sweep), Improved Overrun, Improved Sunder, Improved Toughness (x27), Multi-attack, Power Attack, Recover Breath (x2), Rend (claws), Shockwave, Tail Sweep Knockdown.
Epic Feats: Dire Charge, Epic Fortitude.
Environment: Any
Organization: Solitary
Challenge Rating: 88
Treasure: None
Alignment: Neutral
Advancement: 161-255 HD (Macro-Fine), 256-511 HD (Macro-Diminutive).
Effective Class Level: 160

Standing over 300 ft. tall, this great reptile almost rises into the clouds. Its hide is covered in thick dark green scales, its back ridged with pale bone-like plating tapering down the length of its tail. With menacing glare and mighty roar it issues its challenge of supremacy.

COMBAT

Godzilla attacks. You run or die.

Atomic Breath (Su): 1920-ft. line of atomic energy, dealing:
Disintigration: 320d6 damage (avg. 1120), or 40d6 (avg. 140) on a successful Fortitude save (DC 106)
Force damage: 160d4 force damage (avg. 400); Fortitude save for half damage (DC 106)
Heat damage: 160d6 fire damage (avg. 560); Fortitude save for half damage (DC 106)
Radiation: 2d12 (avg. 13) points of ability damage to strength, dexterity and constitution.

There is a 1d4-2 round delay between each use of this breath weapon. The save DCs are Constitution based.

Energy Pulse (Su): 480-ft. radius wave of atomic energy, dealing 40d20 force damage (Average 420). Fortitude save for half damage: DC 106.

Frightful Presence (Su): Godzilla can inspire terror by charging or attacking. Affected creatures must succeed on a DC 94 Will save or become shaken, remaining in that condition as long as they remain within sight of Godzilla. The save DC is Charisma-based.

Rend (Ex): Should Godzilla hit the same target with both claw attacks the target suffers a further 16d8+42 damage.

Stomp (Ex): Targets two size categories (or more) smaller than the Godzilla can be stomped into the ground for 16d8+42 damage.

Swallow Whole (Ex): Godzilla can try to swallow a grabbed opponent of Huge or smaller size by making a successful grapple check. Once inside, the opponent takes 4d8+17 points of crushing damage plus 4d8+7 points of acid damage per round from Godzilla's digestive juices. A swallowed creature can cut its way out by dealing 100 points of damage to the Godzilla's digestive tract (AC 25). Once the creature exits, muscular action closes the hole; another swallowed opponent must cut its own way out. Godzilla's gullet can hold 2 Huge, 8 Large, 32 Medium, 128 Small, or 512 Tiny or smaller creatures.

Tail Sweep (Ex): Godzilla’s tail sweep affects all targets within a semi-circular area.

...after absorbing the energy from Fire Rodan

Augmented Breath Weapon (Su): 1920-ft. line of atomic energy, dealing:
Disintigration: 640d6 damage (avg. 2240), or 80d6 (avg. 280) on a successful Fortitude save (DC 106)
Force damage: 320d4 force damage (avg. 800); Fortitude save for half damage (DC 106)
Heat damage: 320d6 fire damage (avg. 1020); Fortitude save for half damage (DC 106)
Radiation: 4d12 (avg. 26) points of ability damage to strength, dexterity and constitution.

There is a 1d4-2 round delay between each use of this breath weapon. The save DCs are Constitution based.

ROUND BY ROUND TACTICS (useful for Megasaurs in general)

Godzilla ignores any opposition until first attacked (unless there is a history of enmity whereupon he issues the challenge by roaring and charges into battle).

Round 1: Full attack against targets within reach, if no targets are within reach then Godzilla charges into battle and then employs a full attack (Dire Charge). If no targets are within melee range (flying for instance), then Godzilla attacks with his ranged weaponry (see Round 2).

Round 2: Use breath weapon on single opponent, or use the energy pulse if facing multiple opponents.

Rounds 3 and 4: Repeat rounds 1 and 2 where appropriate.

Round 5: Should opposition still exist by this stage Godzilla employs his augmented breath weapon.

Godzilla can be diverted from his current path, unless facing a serious threat (one of his peers: another megasaur or perhaps a deity), and wanders off (in the direction of the nearest body of water) after being reduced to less than half hit points (3880 hp).

MEGASAURS

The term Megasaurs can be taken as refering to any creature larger than Titanic size (also known as Colossal+).

MEGASAURS VS D20 MODERN (LOW PHYSICAL FACTOR WORLD)

In d20 Modern terms even main battle tanks (100mm cannon: 8d10 kinetic + 4d6 explosive) will likely prove totally ineffective against megasaurs and be ignored. Battleship guns (400mm cannon: 16d10 kinetic + 8d6 explosive) may just irk the great monsters enough to warrant their attention. Basically you need nuclear munitions to seriously stop megasaurs, of course then you have to contend with the collateral damage and radiation likely just as bad, perhaps worse than the damage the great beasts would have inflicted anyway. Also the fact that Megasaurs are often mutated from nuclear radiation means that atomic weaponry doesn't always have the desired effect on them. Hence the reason state of the art conventional weaponry is the preferred method of anti-megasaur equipment.

Japans Self-Defense Agency (JSDA) employ Super-X Main Sky Battle Tanks, whereas the United Nations Godzilla Countermeasures Centre (UNGCC) G-Force have Electron Cannons, Maser Tanks and two mechas: MechaGodzilla and MOGERA. Consider Earth to be at Progress Level 6 for the purposes of representing the Toho movies using d20 Future.

It should be noted that the Toho Godzilla seems to exist in a low physical factor world since it just laughs off conventional weapon attacks.

MEGASAURS VS MODERN WEAPONRY (HIGH PHYSICAL FACTOR WORLD)

Main battle tank 100mm cannon will deal 32d10 + 16d6 explosive and battleship 400mm guns will instead deal 128d10 + 64d6 explosive. Again the tanks will generally prove just about capable of injuring the monster with anything larger doing potentially significant damage.

It should be noted that the Hollywood Godzilla seems to exist in a high physical factor world, since it was taken down fairly easily by a couple of jet fighters.

Poxa Lumine, eh um topico sério... T________T

[Lumine Miyavi]

Eu VOU usar ele seriamente não no Sopa Extraplanar.

E sobre a pergunta do Bill, é verdade. Você diz um dragão pra enfrentar grupo padrão, ou um grupo enorme como o seu?

[Sr. Pichu]

pow...
Draggy Voado, Magias, E Breath Weapon à vonts, até sobrar pouquinhos, aí é só descer e aniquilar o resto

[Styker]

Eu VOU usar ele seriamente não no Sopa Extraplanar.

E sobre a pergunta do Bill, é verdade. Você diz um dragão pra enfrentar grupo padrão, ou um grupo enorme como o seu?

Hum, talvez seja isso, dos grupos que eu joguei o menor era com 6 jogadores. Talvez por isso eu nunca achei alguns oponentes feitos para oponentes solo. Mas considerando meu grupo, o que voces acharam?

[Natsuiro]

AH
xD

Que bicho fraquinho, Lumine! DDDDD
Aposto que ele não aguenta... não aguenta... não aguenta...
...
...
...


Ainda bem que inventaram o teleporte.




Mas decida-se: você VAI ou NÃO VAI usar no Sopa? Em cada post vc disse uma coisa. O_o

[DracoDruida]

Styker: Ué, coloque...DOIS dragões.

[Gladius Dei]

Styker: selecione magias apropriadamente, várias magias de proteção (Pele de Pedra, Proteção contra Bem, qualquer magia de ilusão ou transmutação simples para simplesmente mudar a cor do dragão - de vermelho para branco -, Invisibilidade Aprimorada, Proteção Contra Flechas, Proteção Contra Elementos - o elemento fraco do dragão - Força de Touro, Agilidade Felina, Escudo de Fogo, Contingência etc), e ao menos uma de cada que afete cada teste de resistência (Dominar Pessoas, Vontade contra o guerreiro; Corrente de Relâmpagos, área, Reflexos contra clérigo; Dedo da Morte, Fortitude contra mago). Prepare-se antes da batalha, e pronto.

[Styker]

Styker: selecione magias apropriadamente, várias magias de proteção (Pele de Pedra, Proteção contra Bem, qualquer magia de ilusão ou transmutação simples para simplesmente mudar a cor do dragão - de vermelho para branco -, Invisibilidade Aprimorada, Proteção Contra Flechas, Proteção Contra Elementos - o elemento fraco do dragão - Força de Touro, Agilidade Felina, Escudo de Fogo, Contingência etc), e ao menos uma de cada que afete cada teste de resistência (Dominar Pessoas, Vontade contra o guerreiro; Corrente de Relâmpagos, área, Reflexos contra clérigo; Dedo da Morte, Fortitude contra mago). Prepare-se antes da batalha, e pronto.

Voce tocou bem no ponto Gladius, eu nao quero um dragao/mago, nao gosto dessa criatura, além de ser mais complexa de se controlar ela não é efetiva, CL dos dragoes sao bem mais baixos do que magos do mesmo ND, logo um dissipar magia bem dado e adeus todas as defesas. Quanto ao ataque prefiro o bixo atacando com garras, sopro e habilidades mais naturais do que com magia, esse é o motivo de tal adaptação. Claro, que um dragao inteligente vai se preparar antes da batalha, mas nao queria que essa preparacao fosse se vestindo com 1000 magias antes de ir pro combate, talvez usando uma ou mais habilidades naturais que o permitam emboscar melhor ou usando alguma estratégia do seu próprio covil, um misto entre tática inteligente e bestial.

[Sr. Pichu]

bom, dragões podem dar pound (se forem do tamanho adequado, o que já inutilizaria o caster
as garras deles podem não ser suficientemente boas para usar armas, mas, arremessar rochas ainda está nas habilidades deles, sem mencionar que um dispel, pode significar um bom alvo para o breath-weapon, rugidos altos e ameaçadores (+testinho de intimidar) podem dar mais alguns bônus de medo nos adversários, e o tail slap (golpe com a cauda) PODE derrubar e/ou lançar os adversários alguns metros para trás, como os personagens iriam gastar um tempinho levantando, é mais uma boa chance de breath weapon...
e a boa e velha do "death from above!" que o dragão fica voando e disparando sobre os aventureiros

lembre-se que dragões são grandes fortes e poderosos e extremamente arrogantes
se bem utilizados eles destroem qualquer grupo sem necessidade de "upgrades"

[Natsuiro]

lembre-se que dragões são grandes fortes e poderosos e extremamente arrogantes
se bem utilizados eles destroem qualquer grupo sem necessidade de "upgrades"

Quotado e destacado por ser verdade.

[Styker]

lembre-se que dragões são grandes fortes e poderosos e extremamente arrogantes
se bem utilizados eles destroem qualquer grupo sem necessidade de "upgrades"

Quotado e destacado por ser verdade.

Tambem acho... lah na mesa isso jah ocorreu muito, so que cansei dos dragoes cheios de magia e com a 4e acabou me inspirando pra dar uma modificada nos bixos, mas parece que o pessoal curte os dragoes tradicionais neh?

[Sr. Pichu]

pow Styker!
eu te dei boas opções de combate dracônico SEM magias